Montag, 2. Januar 2012

Re: [H] Combos and complexes

On Jan 1, 2012, at 6:14 PM, John Harvey wrote:

> Whether Hahnemann was even correct in his deduction that the two coexisting
> dynamic disease processes could occur in discrete parts of the organism is
> open to question.


By yourself perhaps John.
I find it one of his greater wisdoms in PRACTICE

> The notion certainly strikes me as inconsistent with the
> balance of our understanding of the dynamic nature of disease,

It is not so.....

> which
> affects the entirety of the organism even if only part expresses symptoms.

That is not inconsistent.
A disease affecting mainly the kidney WILL also affect other aspects of the organism.
A coexisting disease forming a currently active dual complex disease, may affect other aspects of the organism mainly, but possibly also the kidneys.
You then have two coexisting diseases both affecting the kidneys.

I just had such a case.
The complex disease here was Feline Infectious Peritonitis (=FIP, itself a complex disease actually but we'll pretend it is a single disease for now), plus the disease of Haemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis (=HLH) which is rare, and usually mistaken as lymphoma in cats. In this case the individual did not survive. I did see the FIP, and that some other disease was present, but could not figure out its actions or details which I'd never come across before - but the tissue studies describe the two diseases well in terms of exactly how EACH affected each organ of the system. The FIP affected kidneys, liver, and intestines mainly, by producing neutrophilic granulomatous inflammation in each. The HLH instead produced histiocytosis in kidneys, liver and eyes. Subsequent blood tests showed that the remedy I was using had significantly decreased neutrophilic involvement wherever it occurred. But the separate simultaneous disease of HLH did not respond to the matched remedy for the first disease, and needed its own remedy matched against the immune system causes of HLH.
It is a new finding for these two diseases to occur simultaneously, so this was no easy case, and it may well not survive. The vet is already amazed at the improvements seen in blood work for the one disease. The proper identification of the second simultaneous one affecting SOME of the SAME organs as the first - was advised to me today only. But it is an excellent example of how two dissimilar diseases can act one SOME parts o the body - and where one or other may act on any particular organ.
Here for example FIP acted alone on intestinal areas.
HLH acted alone on the eyes.
But FIP and HLH both acted on kidney and liver - albeit in different ways
So a different remedy is called for to handle each disease (regardless where in the body it acted).

This is what Hahnemann was talking about, in saying two discrete diseases could be acting on different parts of the organism and need different but alternating matched remedies.
Remember that kidneys, liver and immune system, all are complex systems, not individual parts.
Each disease is caused by a specific derangement - and can thus derange parts of the body accordingly.
There may or may not be overlap in what parts of the body are deranged by a totally different disease which has joined the first one to become a complex disease.

As Hahnemann says, there is no one remedy that can handle this.
Each disease needs its own remedy - which will act on the derangements caused by that disease.
When they occur simultaneously, the remedies also must be applied that way - but as Hahnemann says - not in a MIXture - but alternating, each dosed appropriately for the disease it matches.

This is not polypharmacy but individual treatment of individual disease, by the disease's single homeopathic remedy.

I am not shy to take on these complicated diseases like FIP and HLH and others. It's why people come to me. I have a record of some success here, (and allopathy has none), though my mortality rates are higher than those for homeopaths handing the more straightforward cases. That's to be expected.
It's NOT easy to work with a complex disease. It takes a lot of research and knowledge of the body's systems and how they work and how they can be skewed by different diseases. Remedy selection in complex disease becomes very intensive in order to meet what the diseases are doing in a specific individual and WHY they are doing it - to get at the cause, and remove it, for *each* disease.

>
> It would seem to be as common today as in Hahnemann's day [2] that at least
> one of these disease processes shall have been medicinally rather than
> naturally invoked.

It matters not what caused the complex diseases - if they are there they must be addressed. However, in the above example, the FIP was induced by a virus mutation and the HLH was triggered by the effects of the first one, combined with an inherited predisposition. Hahnemann also used examples in epidemics where two infectious diseases would combine into a complex, instead of one of them being suppressed (in 6% of cases if I remember his statistic).

> Are we then to interpret Hahnemann to mean that we should
> act exactly as we would if these simultaneous disease processes (syphilis
> and psora) were acting in two individuals, prescribing two medicines for
> them and taking no account of the one patient in prescribing for the other

No you are making assumptions again. The two simultaneous disease processes are in ONE individual. In the example above, kidneys and liver are affected by BOTH diseases. But they are affected in different ways. The individual disease remedy will address that for each type of damage in those organs. It will heal two kinds of damage at the same time - in these organs in one individual - as well as healing other organs individually where only one disease causes a pathology. The diseases are intertwined on ONE individual, but need separate remedies. The remedies being suitably carefully chosen for each disease, will heal the appropriate disease aspects affecting the one individual.
In my above example:
One matched remedy (to FIP disease) will undo the neutrophilic granulomas on kidney and liver and intestines, the red cell anemia due to FAHA and iron destruction, AND will repair the cytokine skewed items (mostly interleukin-2 and thymus use of it) of the immune system that allowed Fp to occur ....
Another matched remedy (to HLH disease) caused it, and the other remedy will handle the lymphoid aspects affecting kidney and liver and eyes, which proliferate histiocytes and cause macrophage destruction of those tissues (as opposed to granuloma deposition there from the other disease) and will also address the immune system cytokines out of balance (mainly Tumor necrosis factor alpha and ferritin controls).
Between the two remedies then, different pathological results of teach disease are handled, and
the different skewed immune system cytokines of the thymus are rebalanced, resulting in ONE working immune system - which then can be used to overcome BOTH diseases in the ONE individual. If only the IL-2 is fixed and not the TNF-alpha etc, then the cause of NEITHER disease can be addressed by the immune system, as the lack of iron supply in the FIP will prevent the making red cells, and the lack of ferritin in the other will do likewise and in fact the kidney damage form EITHER disease left alone, will prevent making erythropoetin to make red cells. The result is death from fulminant autoimmune hemolytic anemia - from whichever disease is not treated immediately. And bear in mind red cells take a full 2 weeks to make, so there is no time to mess about during any illness presenting with anemia as a symptom. Especially in cats, with their low blood volume.

Any thought that complex homeopathy is independent of proper understanding of pathology of disease and anatomy of organ systems, is just delusional thinking. The term "complex" is very fitting, and is not overcome by lazy work or by attempts to address little bits of a situation at a time. Everything presenting must be addressed at the same time - and that requires a remedy for each disease presenting. The above example illustrated it well. I challenge John (or anyone) to explain how to arrive at healing by any other principles than the ones I used - and to show actual complex disease cases where your system worked to show it is not all theorizing or name-calling cop-out talk?

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."


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