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1. Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol (healthyinfo6@aol.com)
2. Re: Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol (Shannon Nelson)
3. Re: Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol (Shannon Nelson)
4. Re: Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol (Rosemary C. Hyde Ph.D.)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:02:31 -0500
From: healthyinfo6@aol.com
Subject: [H] Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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What remedies can be taken prophylactically and post exposure to nuclear radiation?

Cesium gas has already been released into the atmosphere in Japan from the nuclear plant there and a possiblility exists of nuclear meltdown of the rods. Measurements are already 1000 times above normal of the air in the immediate area.

Workers at the nuke plant were given iodine pills.
Residents in Sendaj are told not to drink tap water and to wear gas masks as shown on CNN.

Besides the situation in Japan, there are nuclear plants in possible earthquake zones. Additionally, future terrorist attacks are expected to be nuclear in nature. It's been postulated that if the Japan plant core melts down, and toxic nuclear waste gets into the Pacific Ocean, the currents circulate toward Alaska.

Are there remedies made from cesium, plutonium, uranium, thorium and would these be ones to take?

Would Plumbum have any properties for radiation protection as lead does?

Guess more theoretical than proven since remedies would have had to be given to those already exposed.

Susan

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:16:48 -0600
From: Shannon Nelson <shannonnelson@tds.net>
Subject: Re: [H] Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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Read Nuala Eising's writings on Granite and Marble, treating victims
of Chernobyl. Fascinating! I don't have a link at the moment.

On Mar 12, 2011, at 1:02 PM, healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:

>
> What remedies can be taken prophylactically and post exposure to
> nuclear radiation?
>
> Cesium gas has already been released into the atmosphere in Japan
> from the nuclear plant there and a possiblility exists of nuclear
> meltdown of the rods. Measurements are already 1000 times above
> normal of the air in the immediate area.
>
> Workers at the nuke plant were given iodine pills.
> Residents in Sendaj are told not to drink tap water and to wear gas
> masks as shown on CNN.
>
> Besides the situation in Japan, there are nuclear plants in possible
> earthquake zones. Additionally, future terrorist attacks are
> expected to be nuclear in nature. It's been postulated that if the
> Japan plant core melts down, and toxic nuclear waste gets into the
> Pacific Ocean, the currents circulate toward Alaska.
>
> Are there remedies made from cesium, plutonium, uranium, thorium and
> would these be ones to take?
>
> Would Plumbum have any properties for radiation protection as lead
> does?
>
> Guess more theoretical than proven since remedies would have had to
> be given to those already exposed.
>
> Susan
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Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:26:16 -0600
From: Shannon Nelson <shannonnelson@tds.net>
Subject: Re: [H] Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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Her proving was done with granite from Connemara, Ireland. But the
patients she described using it with, were not people who had lived in
that area, but Chernobyl radiation victims.

This book review gives some of the flavor:
http://www.minimum.com/reviews/granite-marble.htm
This book review is reprinted with the permission of the American
Institute of Homeopathy

801 North Fairfax Street, Suite 306
Alexandria, VA 22314
(703) 246-9501

The Provings of Granite, Marble and Limestone
by Nuala Eising and The Burren School of Homeopathy
Reviewed by Karl Robinson, M.D.

The Provings of Granite, Marble and Limestone by Nuala Eising and the
Burren School of Homeopathy in Ireland may be the first book on
homeopathy that is compellingly interesting reading. Nuala Eising
never mentions elves or leprechauns. She doesn't have to. What she
does relate is equally chimerical though she doesn't intend it to be.

The first section, the proving of Granite, begins: "I first considered
Granite as a homeopathic remedy following two dreams which I had...
Prior to this, I knew nothing about granite except that it is a rock
common to parts of Ireland. The dreams should explain why I considered
it important to conduct a proving of Connemara granite."
Indeed they do.

In the first dream Eising finds herself looking at a picture of
Connemara which is grey and bleak. The picture is captioned,
"CONNEMARA IS THE DAY AFTER." Then follows five more pictures, each of
a Connemara person, each in a wooden frame, each with a different
caption:
Number one reads: "Connemara People Are Introverted."
Number two reads: "Connemara Peop..."

And it goes on from there--I think you will find the link interesting!
And this section--talk about to-the-point!:

"[Eising had] another dream. The same man appeared and told her
explicitly the children would need Granite first, but then they must
have Marble. He told her in the dream: "***Granite is always
appropriate for the initial and peripheral effects of
radioactivity.*** [emphasis mine] These children have undergone a
metamorphosis. Look at Limestone and Marble. They are both calcium
carbonate. The intense heat and pressure when Granite is forming
turns Limestone to Marble. Although Marble is calcium, it is
metamorphic calcium. When people are close to a major radioactive
disaster like Chernobyl, there is at first an intense internal heat,
and gradually their calcium cells begin to change. These children are
the metamorphic version of their original state, and as such, they
need Marble, which is the most similar. Look at the children, their
pallor, their translucence just like white marble. Marble crumbles
from the inside-the shine on the outside holds it together. The same
happens to people affected by high levels of radiation-they
disintegrate from the inside."
That did it. Eising then proved Marble.

At this point, the observant reader might recall the section on
Granite where on page one Eising mentioned dreaming of Connemara and
seeing the caption, "CONNEMARA IS THE DAY AFTER." Now that caption's
true eerie meaning becomes apparent-it is the day after a radioactive
catastrophe such as occurred in Chernobyl."

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On Mar 12, 2011, at 1:02 PM, healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:

>
> What remedies can be taken prophylactically and post exposure to
> nuclear radiation?
>
> Cesium gas has already been released into the atmosphere in Japan
> from the nuclear plant there and a possiblility exists of nuclear
> meltdown of the rods. Measurements are already 1000 times above
> normal of the air in the immediate area.
>
> Workers at the nuke plant were given iodine pills.
> Residents in Sendaj are told not to drink tap water and to wear gas
> masks as shown on CNN.
>
> Besides the situation in Japan, there are nuclear plants in possible
> earthquake zones. Additionally, future terrorist attacks are
> expected to be nuclear in nature. It's been postulated that if the
> Japan plant core melts down, and toxic nuclear waste gets into the
> Pacific Ocean, the currents circulate toward Alaska.
>
> Are there remedies made from cesium, plutonium, uranium, thorium and
> would these be ones to take?
>
> Would Plumbum have any properties for radiation protection as lead
> does?
>
> Guess more theoretical than proven since remedies would have had to
> be given to those already exposed.
>
> Susan
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:23:17 -0500
From: "Rosemary C. Hyde Ph.D." <rosemaryhyde@lmi.net>
Subject: Re: [H] Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol
To: <healthyinfo6@aol.com>, <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
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Another thought about radiation exposure and remedies is Diospyros kaki
(persimmon), the fruit of the tree that survived the nuclear holocaust at
Nagasaki. After its proving, it was suggested that it might be a good
remedy to treat the effects of radiation exposure in the atmosphere.

Rosemary Hyde

It's easy to be an angel when no one is ruffling your wings!

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-----Original Message-----
From: homeopathy-bounces@homeolist.com
[mailto:homeopathy-bounces@homeolist.com] On Behalf Of healthyinfo6@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:03 PM
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
Subject: [H] Nuclear Radiation Exposure Protocol

What remedies can be taken prophylactically and post exposure to nuclear
radiation?

Cesium gas has already been released into the atmosphere in Japan from the
nuclear plant there and a possiblility exists of nuclear meltdown of the
rods. Measurements are already 1000 times above normal of the air in the
immediate area.

Workers at the nuke plant were given iodine pills.
Residents in Sendaj are told not to drink tap water and to wear gas masks as
shown on CNN.

Besides the situation in Japan, there are nuclear plants in possible
earthquake zones. Additionally, future terrorist attacks are expected to be
nuclear in nature. It's been postulated that if the Japan plant core melts
down, and toxic nuclear waste gets into the Pacific Ocean, the currents
circulate toward Alaska.

Are there remedies made from cesium, plutonium, uranium, thorium and would
these be ones to take?

Would Plumbum have any properties for radiation protection as lead does?

Guess more theoretical than proven since remedies would have had to be given
to those already exposed.

Susan
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Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 20:57:51 -0500
From: bsimon@inbaltimore.org
Subject: [H] Homeopathy in the News
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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Alternatives to the pink stuff

Lee Ni Chinneide, a homeopath who practises at the Elbow Room
healthcare centre in Dublin, offered a counter-remedy at a
recent open day. Applying the homeopathic, holistic principle of
treating the whole person, not just the symptoms, she proposed
more individualised methods of temperature control, specifically
in childhood illnesses.

http://tinyurl.com/5w8noh7

Homeopathic Remedies: Natural Miracle Cures or Plain Old Scam?

Or are alternative homeopathic treatmentswhich produce no
provable results according to science, yet which are still
recommended by some doctorssome combination of natural remedy
and mind game?

http://tinyurl.com/5wthj95

Homeopathy 101 Frequently asked questions

Homeopathy is a system of medical therapy that uses
infinitesimal doses of medicines, or remedies. The remedies,
which must be shaken to be considered homeopathic, are prepared
from plant, animal and mineral substances.

http://tinyurl.com/6ajwopw

Homeopathy - is it science?

Homeopathy is widely practised in many parts of the world,
including Europe. But does it really work beyond the placebo
effect? Extensive randomised clinical trials under strictly
controlled conditions have proved over and over again that it
has no more benefit than that which can be attributed to the
placebo effect

http://tinyurl.com/5wg6pez

What's in a flu remedy label?

How should I read the Oscillococcinum label: Anas barbariae
hepatis et cordis extractum 200CK HPUS?

http://tinyurl.com/4gr4ekv

Homeopathy prospers even as controversy rages

Few things rile scientific skeptics more than homeopathy, a
baffling form of alternative medicine in which patients are
given highly diluted and vigorously shaken preparations to
trigger the body's natural healing ability. Yet homeopathy
hasn't just survived the years of scathing criticism; it's
prospering. In the U.S., consumer sales of homeopathic
treatments reached $870 million in 2009, growing 10 percent over
the previous year, according to Nutrition Business Journal
estimates.

http://tinyurl.com/69y4m55

Homeopathy- An Overview

The premises of homeopathy are opposed to modern medical
science. Conventional medicine suppresses symptoms, kills
invading microorganisms, and blocks or stimulates physiologic
receptors with drugs. In contrast, homeopathy is a gentle system
of medicine that invokes the bodys ability to heal itself. To
someone trained in Western science, homeopathy appears to be
quackery. Indeed, during Hahnemanns era through today,
homeopathy and conventional medicine have been in conflict.

http://tinyurl.com/4psafhh

Putting Homeopathy Into Perspective

Just how dilute are these preparations? Well, it depends. They
start at 1X 1 part in 10 and range up to or possibly down to
200C 1 part in 10^400 but are typically 30C 1 part in 10^60.
Some of these numbers are hard to grasp, so were going to enlist
the help of Felicia Day.

http://tinyurl.com/4gyczr6

Letting �like be cured by like�

Homeopathy is one of the most popular, and yet most baffling of
the complementary healthcare models. A startling array of
followers, past and present, includes Yeats, Van Gogh, Monet,
Renoir, Florence Nightingale, Mother Theresa, The British Royal
Family, Sir Paul McCartney, David Beckham, Jennifer Aniston,
Tony Blair and Bill Clinton. In fact over 30 million people
across Europe use homeopathic medicine.

http://tinyurl.com/68c4lt4

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1. Re: BIH (Lynn Cremona)
2. Re: BIH (Irene de Villiers)

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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:02:07 -0500
From: Lynn Cremona <freelynn@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [H] BIH
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Hello Jack,
I disagree with the opinion of BIH that has been presented.

I tutor for the BIH, we are in the process of rewriting some of the
course materials to further improve the quality of our already excellent
education at BIH. What is taught at BIH under the Directorship og Maria
Bohle (Dr Cook has retired) is based on the teachings of Hahnemann. The
school now offers a 4 year education, including Anatomy and Physiology,
Pathology, Live Clinics which can also be attended by video link. Once
completing the 4 year schooling and taking the Final Exam, passing the
CHC Exam, if one chooses to sit for it, will be a seamless transition.

BIH also offers a Clinical Nutrition course, Veterinarian Course, An
Introductory course for those not looking to become practitioners but
would like information on acute care for their families.

Additional Courses which are not Homeopathy are offered at BIH, ie Bach
Flower, Herbology, and others. These courses are separate from the
Homeopathy courses and are taught by those with a professional
background in those modalities.

Lynn Cremona
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> On Mar 6, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Jack Anderson wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have always been of the opinion that BIH provides excellent
> education at a reasonable price.
>
> -------------------------------------------------
>
Irene de Villiers wrote:
> Perhaps so.
> At the expense of their tutors and course writers?
>
> As a tutor, every time I suggested an improvement on the
> administration forum where I was an appointed member - I was tossed
> off without so much as a word from management - likewise on the tutor
> forum, or if I presented a problem (along with its suggested
> solution as I believe in doing), I was tossed off the tutor list for
> "failing to have loyalty" to BIH. Yet all my suggestions had to be
> implemented eventually as the ideas proposed by BIH were as flawed as
> I and others pointed out at the time. It was not politic to point it
> out, they had to learn the hard way. This is frustrating for tutors
> trying to improve things.
>
> As a tutor, when I posted appropriate explanations for students
> asking questions on the Organon or whatever, posting them to the
> study group, I was told I was "chasing students away" and was banned
> from the study group without the courtesy of an mail or notice of any
> kind. Yet more than 7000 emails I wrote there were hailed as very
> useful by recipients. I got not as cent nor a thank you, for writing
> them but they took about that many half hours or hours to write.
> Being kicked in the teeth for it does not feel great.
>
> As a tutor when I agreed to write an upgraded veterinary homeopathy
> course for a contracted and agreed sum per "lesson" (for 29 lessons),
> as much of the material had a copyright left over form the 1960s, and
> had what I considered errors and a great need to be updated, BIH
> renegged on payment before the first lesson was even half done and
> wanted the entire course written for what amounted to no fee. (I
> declined. And I had done a lot of work and research by then.)
>
> As a tutor, one gets $25 for each time a student passes an exam (and
> it used to be less). That might involve ten to forty hours of expert
> teaching time and grading time. That's a VERY small fraction of
> minimum wage for professional work.
>
> .........I do not know where student fees go, but NOT to the tutors.
>
> There are ugly complaints from management if one appears to criticize
> any aspect of BIH or its course material. (For example they still
> promote the fiction that avogadro's number has anything to do with
> potency, yet principal of BIH UK - my tutor at the time for the
> course when I took it - agreed to correct it when I pointed it out
> with proofs, something like a decade ago.). A good school LOOKS for
> ways to improve - not ways to criticize ideas suggested much less the
> people suggesting them.
>
> It is my view that BIH and any other school - needs to see positive
> suggestions from tutors (and anyone else) as good things to consider
> and not reasons to beat up the person making the suggestion for
> supposed "disloyalty". No doubt this email will be seen as the
> ultimate "disloyalty" whereas the wise approach and the better
> businesslike approach is to see it with a view to looking for ways to
> improve this negative record of facts.
>
> These are mainly management issues I have listed.
> I feel that with a closed mind to improvements, and a lack of
> understanding of the relevance of an agreed written contract, it
> makes life for tutors uncomfortable in the extreme.
> .....And I leave you to assess whether that affects students or
> course value.
>
> Namaste,
> Irene
>
--
Imagine Peace

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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:09:04 -0800
From: Irene de Villiers <furryboots@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: [H] BIH
To: Lynn Cremona <freelynn@optonline.net>
Cc: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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On Mar 7, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Lynn Cremona wrote:

> Hello Jack,
> I disagree with the opinion of BIH that has been presented.

I'm glad you find the tutor fee fair.
Perhaps it depends how much effort one puts into tutoring, or perhaps
some people do not need to make a living. I put in a LOT of hours,
and my BIH students do appreciate it a lot. But the fee amounts to
less than a quarter of the miniumum wage in WA where I live.

I did not discuss the course material in my email despite your answer
here addressing it as if I did.
In my email I only agreed with BIH it needed an update and I was
contracted to do that (till they renegged on payment). So it is not
clear from your post, what part of my email you actually disagree
with. I discussed only management issues. You do not comment on those
here. They can be made right by any good manager.

If one is looking for courses on classical homeopathy in USA, I do
not know of better ones. But that does not preclude updating them and
making them as good as thy can be.

My own school, IVYHOM, was started at the request of many of my BIH
students, as they felt the need for a lot more than they got at BIH
in the D.Vet.Hom degree. They were basically getting it from my tutor
work with them at BIH but BIH reassigned most of my students to other
tutors, hence the requests to find another way for me to teach them.
Thus IVYHOM was started. I have only a handful of students at IVYHOM,
mainly the ones who asked me to teach them more plus some on my cat
FIP health list who want to help with this disease (some of whom are
still completing their BIH courses in D.Vet.Hom as well - at my
suggestion - as a background course to the IVYHOM one.

For example, I feel a god course should include Fibonacci potencies -
as we started with in the beginning of this thread. BIH has not done
that. It's needed for the kind of work I do and my students want to
do. So are a lot of other things not covered at BIH. Business skills
for one.

> What is taught at BIH under the Directorship og Maria
> Bohle (Dr Cook has retired) is based on the teachings of Hahnemann.

So was the teaching at BIH/UK under Dr Cook. Since I studied under
both systems and have tutored under the BIH/USA one and still do, I
am in a position to state this. Your email seems to imply otherwise
at BIH/UK. That could not be further from the truth :-)

However what was known in Hahnemann's day is not enough. We know more
now, and need to add it. Updating the courses is good. Again - my
post was about how I was/am treated as a tutor, not about course
content which is a whole other subject ..... and which you have now
started to add to the discussion here.

It is an odd email you write as a "response" - you "disagree" with my
tutor aspect and then "explain" by writing about something totally
separate like course content :-)

Courses at IVYHOM include in depth study of Organon and other
relevant writings (Chronic diseases etc) aphorism by aphorism - BIH
also teaches classical but with a short description and only tells
students to read the Organon. There's no in depth study or exam on it.
Classical homeopathy matches the remedy to the individual and in my
opinion and experience no other way can heal. So it is what I use
myself (regardless what some stalker troll says to the contrary.)

I ADD to it, with nutrition and so on, in order to have successful
cases of FIP (which others apparently do not get to my knowledge -
please tell me if you know of one) and in accordance with Hahnemann
's principles to make sure the environment is correct for the case.
And I add to it further by using F series potencies which are not
against Hahnemann's way either, just a further development. Hahnemann
never managed to finalize potency in his lifetime.

Legally, the word "veterinary" may be used as an adjective by BIH,
in conjunction with the word "homeopathy" as in "veterinary
homeopathy", or "veterinary homeopath" but not in any way where it
might be thought to refer to a veterinarian or a course towards a
veterinary degree such as DVM.
I researched the legalities of this for BIH at their request when
Maria bought BIH. It is why BIH can issue Diplomas in "Veterinary
Homeopathy", unlike BIH /UK before BIH/USA took them over, as BIH/UK
had made a pact with the British veterinary authorities not to use
that terminology.

> Once
> completing the 4 year schooling and taking the Final Exam, passing the
> CHC Exam, if one chooses to sit for it, will be a seamless transition.

Not really.
CHC still has not realized veterinary homeopathy even exists and they
make no accommodation for it. Nor do they make standard exceptions to
their rules (that do not apply in many instances). The certification
is worthless as any vet with a few years of allopathy and a tossed in
remedy here and there can get it. No exam needed. Most "homeopathic
vets" in USA have 4 weekend seminars of "training" in homeopathy -
from someone who has none. Giving them a CHC makes the CHC worthless
by definition as it fails to differentiate someone who knows
homeopathy from someone who only says they do.
CHC is just a group of people asking a lot of annual money to call
someone certified. Nice income if you can get it.
BIH pushes the CHC exam - I find it a money grabbing system only -
for CHC - who has never answered my request for what they do with the
very large "annual fee" (shades of "annual vaccination" - also a
great way to get annual income for no value given?)

> BIH also offers a Clinical Nutrition course, Veterinarian Course,

They do not offer a veterinarian course.

I tutor the only veterinary/animal related courses at BIH, which are
a Basic course in Veterinary Homeopathy (ten units) and a Diploma in
Veterinary Homeopathy which follows (to complete 29 units).
"Veterinarian courses" are trained only at accredited schools in USA
under the American Veterinary Medical Association System, and BIH is
not one. BIH may not issue DVM degrees to newly qualified
veterinarians, and the word "veterinarian" is actually a legally
reserved word for licensed veterinarians only, to use in USA.

> Additional Courses which are not Homeopathy are offered at BIH, ie
> Bach
> Flower, Herbology, and others.

Yes. Like Gemmotherapy, a course written by Dr Rozencwajg. A good one.
:-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

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2. Re: LMs (Shannon Nelson)
3. Re: LMs (leilanae)
4. Re: LMs (Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.)
5. Re: LMs (Irene de Villiers)
6. Re: LMs (Irene de Villiers)
7. BIH (Jack Anderson)
8. Re: BIH (Irene de Villiers)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 23:58:11 +1100
From: Fran Sheffield <FranSheffield@homeopathyplus.com.au>
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
Message-ID: <4D7384E3.5000903@homeopathyplus.com.au>
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Life is a complex business and none of us knows what lies ahead.

I think Irene's remarkable resilience in the face of the difficulties
she has encountered is inspiring and to be applauded. It speaks volumes.

I have often thought that my prescribing style must be poles apart to
Irene's but the truth is that we are both people first and homeopaths
second and so there is still much more for us to agree upon than disagree.

I'm all for vigorous debates but hate it when things turn nasty and ugly.

On 6/03/2011 9:43 PM, healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>

--

Kind regards,

Fran Sheffield

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 07:09:52 -0600
From: Shannon Nelson <shannonnelson@tds.net>
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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Fran, I do so appreciate your balanced perspective, and do so
resoundingly agree with all you've written below--thanks again.

Shannon

On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Fran Sheffield wrote:

> Life is a complex business and none of us knows what lies ahead.
>
> I think Irene's remarkable resilience in the face of the difficulties
> she has encountered is inspiring and to be applauded. It speaks
> volumes.
>
> I have often thought that my prescribing style must be poles apart to
> Irene's but the truth is that we are both people first and homeopaths
> second and so there is still much more for us to agree upon than
> disagree.
>
> I'm all for vigorous debates but hate it when things turn nasty and
> ugly.
>
>
>
> On 6/03/2011 9:43 PM, healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Fran Sheffield
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 06:25:26 -0800
From: leilanae <leilanae@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeo list <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
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On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:22 AM, leilanae wrote:

>
>
> Shannon,
>
> I also agree with Fran's balanced point of view.
>
> Leilanae
>
>> Fran, I do so appreciate your balanced perspective, and do so
>> resoundingly agree with all you've written below--thanks again.
>>
>> Shannon
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:58 AM, Fran Sheffield wrote:
>>
>>> Life is a complex business and none of us knows what lies ahead.
>>>
>>> I think Irene's remarkable resilience in the face of the difficulties
>>> she has encountered is inspiring and to be applauded. It speaks
>>> volumes.
>>>
>>> I have often thought that my prescribing style must be poles apart to
>>> Irene's but the truth is that we are both people first and homeopaths
>>> second and so there is still much more for us to agree upon than
>>> disagree.
>>>
>>> I'm all for vigorous debates but hate it when things turn nasty and
>>> ugly.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/03/2011 9:43 PM, healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Fran Sheffield
>>>
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:26:50 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
From: "Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD." <jroz@ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
Message-ID: <4D73EE01.000005.02496@XP_HOME_SP3>
Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8"

First of all, I am no more part of BIH, thankfully got rid of that....check

Your information and actualise it.

Yes we are personal friends, so what, jealous?

C and LMs: I have used them intensely and learned them in depth, using LMs

Almost exclusively for about 10 years....learned it with David Little and

Graduated from his course....did you?

As for criticising a method, did you even bother reading the free articles

Explaining the F method?

And who or how is anyone denigrating or belittling Hahnemann? If you'd read

The articles and the book you would at least know.

? ?

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

Visit my new website www.naturamedica.webs.com

-------Original Message-------

From: healthyinfo6@aol.com

Date: 03/06/11 23:45:08

To: homeopathy@homeolist.com

Subject: Re: [H] LMs

Truly disgusting your trying to denigrate and belittle Hahnemann.

Of course, in promoting the F series so vehemently, Irene neglected to

Mention that she and Dr. Dr Joe Rozencwajg, NMD are British Institute of

Homeopathy (BIH) colleagues and likely personal friends offline.

Full disclosure is important, especially in research realms. Like big pharma

Funding research by "independent" doctors, one has to search for the

Ulterior motive info. Not sure if there is a financial motive here too as in

Big pharma.

Irene also didn't emphasize that she doesn't practice classical homeopathy

But a hybrid form, some have said voodoo homeopathy.

Did Irene also emphasize that she experiments on cats and farm animals,

Hopefully not humans, where complete feedback including all types of

Aggravations are not possible?

Did Irene mention that she had a stroke? Seems odd for someone who's been

Dishing out vitamin and homeopathic advice for years and so regimented in

Their approach.

For example, Irene was promoting 2 years ago the safety of megadoses vitamin

D and that she takes 70,000 IU of vitamin D per week.

Irene didn't mention, with all her scientific knowledge and adherence to

Formal "research", that one should have their blood calcium levels checked.

That supplemental vitamin D can cause calcium to go above normal even when

One has below normal vitamin D levels. That's basic SCIENCE!

Did Irene mention how damaging that can be? Maybe damaged kidneys to start?

Is that what caused Irene's stroke? OD-ing on D?

Maybe Irene should come clean about her personal uses or lack thereof of

Homeopathy for her deteriorating medical conditions.

Obviously, she's not following classical homeopathic methods for her own

Health.

Please don't be influenced by the opinions of the supposed "know it alls"

Who claim that they "cure" by improvising, especially on animals, and then

Extrapolate that to humans.

The real reason to promote the next great potency cure and methods? They don

T take the time to use C and LM's properly and follow Hahnemann's

Instructions.

I've stuck to my guns for 14 years and finally seeing vast improvement with

Multiple chronic miasms by staying with CLASSICAL homeopathy, not Irene's

BIH version.

If Irene has found the F potency scale has "GREAT efficacy", well then,

Homeopath, Heal Thyself!

I have no intention on ending up in a wheelchair due to lack of classical

Homeopathic use and/or violating the basic tenets of Hahnemann.

Susan

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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:52:54 -0800
From: Irene de Villiers <furryboots@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeo list <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
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On Mar 6, 2011, at 2:43 AM, healthyinfo6@aol.com wrote:

Dear Stalker,

> Truly disgusting your trying to denigrate and belittle Hahnemann.

Huh?
Building on someone's work is the greatest flattery.
Do you have a good dictionary? (There are several on line.)

> Of course, in promoting the F series so vehemently, Irene neglected
> to mention that she and Dr. Dr Joe Rozencwajg, NMD are British
> Institute of Homeopathy (BIH) colleagues and likely personal
> friends offline.

You are a bit out of date :-)
What colleagues I have is irrelevant to the use of F series and how
well it works but yes I am very glad to have Dr Rozencwajg for a friend.
Dr Rozencwajg has given a great gift to the world in the development
and presentation of the F series. Nor is there any profit to me in
promoting it. What is your problem girl?
This is to do with how well F series works, TO HEAL - a desire you
apparently lack. It is not about who devised it or promotes it.
Read the FREE articles on it if you are too cheap to read the full
research. Few researchers if any, provide free articles that are of
great benefit to the world.
Then AFTER you do your own repeat of the work, you can come and
scorn and spew negativity here (if you can find anything valid to
scorn).

> Full disclosure is important, especially in research realms. Like
> big pharma funding research by "independent" doctors, one has to
> search for the ulterior motive

Disclosure of what? That I tried a good system and had success? I did
disclose that.
What ulterior motive have you deluded yourself into thinking I have?
It's not like I get any benefit from telling people how well F series
works. THEY get the benefit.
They and their clients.
If I was looking to benefIt personally I'd keep the efficacy of F
series to myself and get all the credit?
Negative people tend to assume all others are that way too. It's not so.
Some of us are not like that. I prefer more people to use a good
system that is proven to work.

> Irene also didn't emphasize that she doesn't practice classical
> homeopathy but a hybrid form, some have said voodoo homeopathy.

Your delusions about me are not in the real world, miss stalker, they
are just part of stalking inventions.
What I emphasize is the truth, without regard for whether you or
anyone else likes it. Interested people - interested in truth as
opposed to your invented version - will read my Hpathy papers and
will either like or not like my approach. (I do not care which they
choose, and I do not use your opinion to guide what works either).

So how do YOU explain the success I have with my cases?
Oh I forgot - you can not see anything positive in your chosen
stalkee:-)
I'll tell you anyway - be sure to close your eyes/mind now lest you
accidentally take in something positive:
It is because I use Law of Similars plus some extra approaches.
Law of Similars.
Perhaps you should study it.
It works.

> Did Irene also emphasize that she experiments on cats and farm animals

I emphasize what is true, not what your delusions invent.
I did work in medical research a long time ago. THEN I did
experiments on animals yes. Did not like it and last did that before
you started stalking me by a lot of years......
You have stalked me on the internet since 1998 that I know of. Your
lack of ethics is, as always, your idea of fun.

> Did Irene mention that she had a stroke?

A stroke of luck perhaps?

> Seems odd for someone who's been dishing out vitamin and
> homeopathic advice for years and so regimented in their approach.

Yes I had a stroke despite all that. Very odd indeed. The doctors at
the hospital also found it odd. I had no plaque occluding my
arteries, and no poor circulation in my heart to cause clots. No
organs in trouble. No abnormal values in blood tests besides low
potassium. But you are such an expert stalker, I'll leave you to
figure out the cause.
Hint: There was one and it was not potassium related.

> For example, Irene was promoting 2 years ago the safety of
> megadoses vitamin D and that she takes 70,000 IU of vitamin D per
> week.

Read what I said again. See if you can maybe get it right for a
change:-)
Hint: Scientific American published the research I quoted.

Start here: The human body MAKES 10,000 IU of vitamin D3 in the first
15 minutes of sun exposure, then stops making it, daily. (Assuming
any sun exposure happens).

> Irene didn't mention, with all her scientific knowledge and
> adherence to formal "research", that one should have their blood
> calcium levels checked.
> That supplemental vitamin D can cause calcium to go above normal
> even when one has below normal vitamin D levels. That's basic
> SCIENCE!

No that is basic Susan delusion. No relation to science.

> Did Irene mention how damaging that can be? Maybe damaged kidneys
> to start?

Not true. Suggest you get up to date on kidney research, Vit D
research, calcium research.....

> Is that what caused Irene's stroke? OD-ing on D?

No. Try a different delusion:-) Burt read the research first, You
are out of date on allopathic assumptions currently accepted much
less metabolically valid.

> Maybe Irene should come clean

I had a lovely shower today, thanks.

> about her personal uses or lack thereof of homeopathy for her
> deteriorating medical conditions.

I do not owe my stalker any medical information. I'm sure you still
avidly gather as much as you can assume from my emails all by
yourself. I grant you have great expertise and experience in that,
even if the conclusions you assume are closer to your desired
delusions than any truth.
Hint: Look up how long people usually survive with the main illness I
have. Then see if anyone can claim it without homeopathy.

> Obviously, she's not following classical homeopathic methods for
> her own health.

What's "obvious" to you, is rather sad compared to truth.
Fortunately I use more than that or I would not be here.
I note you spend all your time attacking your stalkee and none
demonstrating anything positive.
Are you capable of doing or saying something positive?
The reason I am in a wheelchair is so if you say something positive,
I will not fall over in shock :-)

> Please don't be influenced by the opinions of the supposed "know it
> alls" who claim that they "cure" by improvising, especially on
> animals, and then extrapolate that to humans.

Or DO be influenced. It's a choice.
Homeopathy has the wonderful aspect that it is not species-specific.
A bashed feeling in a bee, lizard, plant or person, will respond to
arnica for example - independent of species.

> I've stuck to my guns for 14 years

Oh dear, I only noticed your stalking me since 1998, I must have
been slow to pick up on it by several months :-)
Fourteen years ...your guns are rusty.

> If Irene has found the F potency scale has "GREAT efficacy", well
> then, Homeopath, Heal Thyself!

Working on it and it helps more than C's or LMs did but....
It is a fool who has themself for a healer.
I am indeed here thanks to homeopathy PLUS other necessary health
approaches.

> I have no intention on ending up in a wheelchair

Well for your sake I hope that intentions are all you need.
Good luck with that.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:02:38 -0800
From: Irene de Villiers <furryboots@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeo list <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
Message-ID: <E4D70007-DB31-4E76-8006-FFD84B5395AC@icehouse.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

On Mar 6, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD. wrote:

>
>
> First of all, I am no more part of BIH, thankfully got rid of
> that....check
>
> Your information and actualise it.
>
>
>
> Yes we are personal friends, so what, jealous?

LOL :-)

Thanks - made my day:-)
.......Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:13:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Anderson <japala50@yahoo.com>
Subject: [H] BIH
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
Message-ID: <39356.4365.qm@web114501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Hi,

I have always been of the opinion that BIH provides excellent
education at a reasonable price. Is there something I should
be aware of?

Jack

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:48:25 -0800
From: Irene de Villiers <furryboots@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: [H] BIH
To: homeo list <homeopathy@homeolist.com>
Message-ID: <F09F9861-9AB4-47D8-8821-E87057FEDDB1@icehouse.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed

On Mar 6, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Jack Anderson wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I have always been of the opinion that BIH provides excellent
> education at a reasonable price.

Perhaps so.
At the expense of their tutors and course writers?

As a tutor, every time I suggested an improvement on the
administration forum where I was an appointed member - I was tossed
off without so much as a word from management - likewise on the tutor
forum, or if I presented a problem (along with its suggested
solution as I believe in doing), I was tossed off the tutor list for
"failing to have loyalty" to BIH. Yet all my suggestions had to be
implemented eventually as the ideas proposed by BIH were as flawed as
I and others pointed out at the time. It was not politic to point it
out, they had to learn the hard way. This is frustrating for tutors
trying to improve things.

As a tutor, when I posted appropriate explanations for students
asking questions on the Organon or whatever, posting them to the
study group, I was told I was "chasing students away" and was banned
from the study group without the courtesy of an mail or notice of any
kind. Yet more than 7000 emails I wrote there were hailed as very
useful by recipients. I got not as cent nor a thank you, for writing
them but they took about that many half hours or hours to write.
Being kicked in the teeth for it does not feel great.

As a tutor when I agreed to write an upgraded veterinary homeopathy
course for a contracted and agreed sum per "lesson" (for 29 lessons),
as much of the material had a copyright left over form the 1960s, and
had what I considered errors and a great need to be updated, BIH
renegged on payment before the first lesson was even half done and
wanted the entire course written for what amounted to no fee. (I
declined. And I had done a lot of work and research by then.)

As a tutor, one gets $25 for each time a student passes an exam (and
it used to be less). That might involve ten to forty hours of expert
teaching time and grading time. That's a VERY small fraction of
minimum wage for professional work.

.........I do not know where student fees go, but NOT to the tutors.

There are ugly complaints from management if one appears to criticize
any aspect of BIH or its course material. (For example they still
promote the fiction that avogadro's number has anything to do with
potency, yet principal of BIH UK - my tutor at the time for the
course when I took it - agreed to correct it when I pointed it out
with proofs, something like a decade ago.). A good school LOOKS for
ways to improve - not ways to criticize ideas suggested much less the
people suggesting them.

It is my view that BIH and any other school - needs to see positive
suggestions from tutors (and anyone else) as good things to consider
and not reasons to beat up the person making the suggestion for
supposed "disloyalty". No doubt this email will be seen as the
ultimate "disloyalty" whereas the wise approach and the better
businesslike approach is to see it with a view to looking for ways to
improve this negative record of facts.

These are mainly management issues I have listed.
I feel that with a closed mind to improvements, and a lack of
understanding of the relevance of an agreed written contract, it
makes life for tutors uncomfortable in the extreme.
.....And I leave you to assess whether that affects students or
course value.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 05:43:56 -0500
From: healthyinfo6@aol.com
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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Truly disgusting your trying to denigrate and belittle Hahnemann.

Of course, in promoting the F series so vehemently, Irene neglected to mention that she and Dr. Dr Joe Rozencwajg, NMD are British Institute of Homeopathy (BIH) colleagues and likely personal friends offline.

Full disclosure is important, especially in research realms. Like big pharma funding research by "independent" doctors, one has to search for the ulterior motive info. Not sure if there is a financial motive here too as in big pharma.

Irene also didn't emphasize that she doesn't practice classical homeopathy but a hybrid form, some have said voodoo homeopathy.

Did Irene also emphasize that she experiments on cats and farm animals, hopefully not humans, where complete feedback including all types of aggravations are not possible?

Did Irene mention that she had a stroke? Seems odd for someone who's been dishing out vitamin and homeopathic advice for years and so regimented in their approach.

For example, Irene was promoting 2 years ago the safety of megadoses vitamin D and that she takes 70,000 IU of vitamin D per week.

Irene didn't mention, with all her scientific knowledge and adherence to formal "research", that one should have their blood calcium levels checked.
That supplemental vitamin D can cause calcium to go above normal even when one has below normal vitamin D levels. That's basic SCIENCE!
Did Irene mention how damaging that can be? Maybe damaged kidneys to start?
Is that what caused Irene's stroke? OD-ing on D?

Maybe Irene should come clean about her personal uses or lack thereof of homeopathy for her deteriorating medical conditions.
Obviously, she's not following classical homeopathic methods for her own health.

Please don't be influenced by the opinions of the supposed "know it alls" who claim that they "cure" by improvising, especially on animals, and then extrapolate that to humans.

The real reason to promote the next great potency cure and methods? They don't take the time to use C and LM's properly and follow Hahnemann's instructions.

I've stuck to my guns for 14 years and finally seeing vast improvement with multiple chronic miasms by staying with CLASSICAL homeopathy, not Irene's BIH version.

If Irene has found the F potency scale has "GREAT efficacy", well then, Homeopath, Heal Thyself!

I have no intention on ending up in a wheelchair due to lack of classical homeopathic use and/or violating the basic tenets of Hahnemann.

Susan

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 20:52:32 -0500
From: bsimon@inbaltimore.org
Subject: [H] Homeopathy in the News
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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Pseudoscience dangerous

All human progress is due to sound reasoning, honest debate, and
scientific inquiry - not fuzzy notions and superstitious
assertion. The sooner we get rid of this fake treatment, the
better off we will all be.

http://tinyurl.com/624o439

Scientists say homeopathy is undiluted hogwash. But it CAN work.

Just what is it that makes so many people so angry about
homeopathy? Ive been using it on and off for years arnica
tablets for when the kids fall over, a magic box of special
remedies which helped cure my hay-fever. Ive always thought it
was something harmless, something all of us did now and again.
Apparently not, though. In the past few months, whenever Ive
mentioned my guilty homeopathy secret to friends, its as if Ive
confessed to a penchant for child sacrifice.

http://tinyurl.com/4vctzqs

Hyland�s Homeopathy Follow Up

The Nerve Tonic took away my neck tension and headache so subtly
that I didnt even have that ahhh moment of relief I get with
ibuprofen if you get headaches, you know what I am talking
about, but noticed later on in the day that it was gone. And it
has been gone since then, going on three days now. I am truly
amazed. Nothing I have tried has ever taken it away for longer
than the medication lasts.

http://tinyurl.com/654hsy7

Homeopaths declare war on doctors

Dziennik Gazeta Prawna reports that homeopathic medicine
producers have declared war on the Polish Chamber of Physicians
and Dentists, claiming that the Chamber has a monopoly on the
market. The Office of Competition and Consumer Protection has
taken up the issue after a conflict broke out when the Chamber
of Physicians and Dentists obliged doctors to stop recommending
pharmaceuticals that have not been fully tested such as
homeopathics.

http://tinyurl.com/6ynlkch

Homeopathy: not as bad as genocide

Last week in the Spectator I wrote a piece which I knew was
going to get me into trouble. And indeed, to read some of the
reaction since, youd think Id been advocating military
intervention in support of Col Gaddafi or compulsory puppy
drowning classes at primary school. Actually though, all I was
doing was questioning the bizarre witch-hunt atmosphere that now
surrounds the subject of homeopathy.

http://tinyurl.com/5v9cm3z

Today's Historymaker: Dr. Susan Smith McKinney-Steward

Dr. Susan Smith McKinney-Steward was the first African-American
woman to become a doctor in New York State, and the third in the
United States. She treated both blacks and whites at her
practice in Bedford-Stuyvesant, and she helped found the Womens
Homeopathic Hospital and Dispensary in Clinton Hill in 1881.

http://tinyurl.com/5svxwhj

Parents Want Drug Alternatives

Parents want alternatives to pharmaceutical drugs for their
childrens illnesses, two recent studies show. A Harvard Medical
School study found that nearly 9 million children used
complementary and alternative therapies Birdee et al 2010. A
second study showed that ninety percent of parents would like to
know more about alternative medical options for their children,
2010 survey conducted by Childrens Hospitals and Clinics of
Minnesota, a nationwide leader in integrative medicine.

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James Delingpole, keeping an open mind on homeopathy

Who would have thought that James Delingpole and the Prince of
Wales might actually agree on something? No, relax, its not the
environment or organic food or the exorbitant price of Duchy of
Cornwall posh biscuits. But it is something rather shocking.
Mcolleague is, it seems, a fan of homeopathy or magic water as
we Big Pharma shills like to think of it.

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Illegal homeopathic slimming aid

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory agency has
issued a warning to companies promoting or selling a product
containing a homeopathic dilution of hCG human chorionic
gonadotrophin as slimming aid.

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Despite controversy, homeopathy endures

Homeopathy is a form of medical therapy that many people have
heard of but may not know much about. Although it is lumped in
with other "alternative" or complementary therapies, as if it
were a recent development, it has actually been in existence for
more than 200 years.

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2. Re: LMs (homeolist@otherhealth.com)
3. Re: Sankaran Sensation method (V.T. Yekkirala)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:26:27 +0000
From: homeolist@otherhealth.com
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
Message-ID: <ckurz7000.4pokwb@no-mx.otherhealth.com>

Irene de Villiers;87195 Wrote:
> On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:39 AM, homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I use LMs in about 80% of my chronic cases. I have been using
> > conventional Kentian C-scale potencies before for many years. What
> > made
> > me give the LMs a serious try was simply that they are Hahnemann's
> > last
> > and latest improvement to the area of potencies,
>
> I would perhaps have been more impressed with LMs if Hahnemann had
> used them consistently after he developed them. But even he was not
> satisfied and went back to using C's and combinations of C's and
> LMs.......per his Paris case books............ though he was a
> typical Sulfur in firmly pushing his LMs in the 6th Organon:-)
>
> Credit to Hahnemann, in my book, goes for *continuing to try* to find
> better and better potency options. He did not have time to find the
> best answer..... what he did achieve is phenomenal - it is hard to
> comprehend the magnitude of this one man's work in a single lifetime.
> But potency never did get resolved... except for the need to be in
> aqueous solution for best effect.
>
> Namaste,
> Irene
> --
> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
> 'www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html'
> (http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html) (Veterinary
> Homeopath.)
> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Hi Irene,

I don't believe that regarding potency there is anything to "resolve"
but rather continually improve. And it is here that I would like to
lodge a bit of criticism with the homeopathic community: many people
have opinions about LM potencies without the benefit of personal
experience.

I just simply believe that before venturing beyond Hahnemann's practice
we should at least be able to reproduce his last results accurately and
faithfully. In other words: you can't move beyond something unless
you've "been there and done that".

The only justification for my opinion about LM potencies is my own
experience with them and contrasting that to my own experience with C
potencies. Hahnemann was continually working to make homeopathy a more
and more individualized therapy. LM potencies are a big step in that
direction and offer more individualized control over the posological
regime. So now I not only have to be precise in the selection of the
remedy, I also have to individualize the potency, the potency
progression, the dilution, the dose and the frequency of repetition.

-- Chris.

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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 07:55:07 +0000
From: homeolist@otherhealth.com
Subject: Re: [H] LMs
To: homeopathy@homeolist.com
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Shannon Nelson;87199 Wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> Have you by any chance read or experimented with the Fibonacci series
> potencies, per Joe Rozencwajg's articles and book? It is fascinating!
>
> Shannon

No, not yet. I am familiar with the Fibonacci numbers in a mathematical
context but not in a homeopathic one. Can you tell me what your
experience is with them?

-- Chris.

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 02:34:04 -0600
From: "V.T. Yekkirala" <vtyekkirala@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [H] Sankaran Sensation method
To: <pb000014@mweb.co.za>, <japala50@yahoo.com>, homeo list
<homeopathy@homeolist.com>
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Dear Paul ,

You wrote:
If it is flawed, surely an intelligent argument can be put forward to debunk it.

In respect of Sankaran's Vital Sensation method, homeopaths fall into two
categories; those who just adore it and those who vehemently decry it. The
former subconsciously entertain an iota of doubt that it is flawed and feel the
need to go on voicing their approval of this method, while the later similarly
have a doubt that it may be true afterall and so they too give expression
at the least provocation.

I believe, you and I don't fall into either of these categories and I have no
inclination to continue beyond what I have already expressed in this matter.

case taking is a process of multi-sensorial inputs not necessarily confined to
the visual and auditory cues and if you believe that Sankaran's method is
helping you and your patients, who am I to dislodge this vital tool from your
armamentarium and deprive your patients of the benefit that they are getting.

Since you mentioned " Now, whether this method is acceptable to teach
students, one can easily see it is not appropriate at all. It relies on the inate
gift of that individual...." and I believe many homeopaths are of average
intelligence like me, I felt that I should share my experience on this list, so
that a few, if any on this list of my calibre, do not go about wasting their time
and resources on this method.

Regarding how homeopathic drugs cure, Hahnemann wrote a very apt and precise
explanation and I believe it to be true . I am reproducing it here from his
Chronic Diseases Volume1. (vide Preface to the 4th Edition).

regards,

V.T.Yekkirala.

As I have elsewhere shown, it is undeniable, that our vital force, without the assistance of active remedies of human art, cannot overcome even the slight acute diseases (if it does not succumb to them) and restore some sort of health, without sacrificing a part (often a large part) of the fluid and the solid parts of the organism through a so-called crisis. How our vital force effects this, will ever remain unknown to us; but so much is sure, that this force cannot overcome even these diseases in a direct manner, nor without such sacrifices. The Chronic Diseases, which spring from miasms, cannot be healed unaided, even by such sacrifices, nor can real health be restored by this force alone. But it is just as certain, that even if this force is enabled by the true (homoeopathic) healing art, guided by the human understanding, to overpower and overcome (to cure) not only the quickly transient but also the chronic diseases arising from miasms in a direct manner and without such sacrifices, without loss of body and life, nevertheless, it is always this power, the vital force, which conquers. It is in this case as with the army of a country, which drives the enemy out of the country; this army ought to be called victorious, although it may not have won the victory without foreign auxiliaries. It is the organic vital force of our body which cures natural diseases of every kind directly and without any sacrifices, as soon as it is enabled by means of the correct (homoeopathic) remedies to win the victory. This force would not, indeed, have been able to conquer without this assistance; for our organic vital force, taken alone, is only sufficient to maintain the unimpeded progress of life, so long as man is not morbidly affected by the hostile operation of forces causing disease.

Unassisted, the vital force is no match to these hostile powers; it hardly opposes a force equal to the hostile operation, and this, indeed, with many signs of its own sufferings (which we call morbid symptoms). By its own power, our vital force would never be able to overcome the foe of chronic disease, nor even to conquer transient diseases, without considerable losses inflicted on some parts of the organism, if it remained without external aid, without the assistance of genuine remedies. To give such support is the duty enjoined on the physician's understanding by the Preserver of life.

As I have said above, our vital force hardly opposes an equal opposition to the foe causing the disease, and yet no enemy can be overcome except by a superior force. Only homoeopathic medicine can give the superior; power to the invalidated vital force.

Of itself this vital principle, being only an organic vital force intended to preserve an undisturbed health, opposes only a weak resistance to the invading morbific enemy; as the disease grows and increases, it opposes a greater resistance, but at best, it is only an equal resistance; with weakly patients it is not even equal, but weaker. This force is neither capable, nor destined, nor created for an overpowering resistance, which will do no harm to itself..

But if we physicians are able to present and oppose to this instinctive vital force it morbific enemy, as it were magnified through the action of homoeopathic medicines - even if it should be enlarged every time only by little - if in this way the image of the morbific foe be magnified to the apprehension of the vital principle through homoeopathic medicines, which in a delusive manner simulate the original disease, we gradually cause and compel this instinctive vital force to increase its energies by degrees, and to increase it energies by degrees, and to increase them more and more, and at last to such a degree that it becomes far more powerful than the original disease. The consequence of this is, that the vital force again becomes sovereign in its domain, can again hold and direct the reins of sanitary progress, while the apparent increase of the disease caused by homoeopathic medicines, disappears of itself, as soon as we, seeing the preponderance of the restored vital force, i. e., of the restored health, cease to use these remedies.

The fund or the fundamental essence of this spiritual vital principle, imparted to us men by the infinitely merciful Creator, is incredibly great, if we physicians understand how to maintain its integrity in days of health, by directing men to a healthy mode of living, and how to invoke and augment it in diseases by purely homoeopathic treatment.:

From: pb000014@mweb.co.za
To: vtyekkirala@hotmail.com; japala50@yahoo.com; homeopathy@homeolist.com
Subject: Re: [H] Sankaran Sensation method
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:37:25 +0200

> I have read the method in all the books published by Sankaran so far as also
> attended his seminars. It is the very enchanting video presentations at the seminars
> and the captivating material presented in his books that prompted me to use it
> side by side with the age old traditional hahnemannian method for some time. I concluded
> after thorough study that the theoretical basis on which this entire method is based
> is flawed. But such is the orchestrated hype about this method in US and Europe that
> it is hard to get anything published against this method and prove to be a useless exercise
> that ends up in frustration.

If it is flawed, surely an intelligent argument can be put forward to debunk it.

> Unfortunately we have not evolved benchmarks to judge any method being propagated
> as homeopathy and as a first step we should do it.

There is homeopathy and there is "Hahnemannian homeopathy" and then "Kentian" "Boennighausen" "Vithoulkas" etc. Don't confuse the methods with the principle. The principle of homeopathy is like treats like (plus a few other bits such as minimum dose etc.) the organon explains this very well, so we have a guide or benchmark. The methods can vary from one practitioner to the next. Hahnemann gave us the principle first, and then he said "so this how I do it" which is the explanation of his method. The principle is a fixed law of nature. His method is his discovery on how to achieve the result. This does not preclude anyone choosing a similimum through a different method.

Consider an absurd extreme example (one that if observed would no doubt be rare). If someone could read tea leaves and find with accuracy a remedy that is similimum, that would still result in homeopathic cure. Whether this is a valid method depends on the degree of success (genuinely cured cases). If the person was found to achieve very good results consistently, that would be acceptable FOR THAT PERSON, because they would seem to have a "gift".

Now, whether this method is acceptable to teach students, one can easily see it is not appropriate at all. It relies on the inate gift of that individual.

So we have the principle of homeopathy which is absolute and we have various "methods" which can be judged on their success and their ability to be taught to students. And of course, knowing various methods can be of use, because sometimes in acse it may be solved using one method and in another case a different method gets the end result. Sankaran himself talks about this. He does not exclude other methods.

> The very basis on which Hahnemann founded homeopathy was his discovery :

> 1. that any medicinal substance is capable of inducing a field force to distort the vital
> force of healthy human beings; the nature of distortion presents a recognizable field pattern
> and it is as true as the law of gravity or any other natural laws.
>
> 2. that the same medicine is capable of nullifying any disease force that establishes
> a similar distortion of vital force in a human being.
>
> The SIMILARITY of the disorted picture or pattern of the vital force induced by the
> medicinal substance in a healthy human being and that created by the natural disease
> is essential for curative action to occur.
>

If you have read and understood Sankaran's works you should know that he does use proving and repertory to back up the method he has formulated. What his method does then is to give a framework to extrapolate information about the as yet unexplored remedies. Any such method of extrapolation can be fraught with danger if not based on solid ground, but the genius of his method is that it is based on a very solid foundation of classical and tested knowledge. The classical knowledge is evident in his use and understanding of the great masters before him and the materia medica of known remedies as well his teaching experience over the years. His testing of the method is evident in the many well presented cases he has documented over a considerable time. (unlike some cases presented in the past by so-called classical masters, who would prescribe a remedy based on only a few symptoms observed).

On the contrary, revered masters such as Vithoulkas do not follow the same philosophical path as Hahnemann. Vit teaches that it is the vital force that overcomes the disease, not "that the same medicine is capable of nullifying any disease force that establishes a similar distortion of vital force in a human being." (Which means - the remedy overcomes the disease force). So Vit is by your definition "not classical".

If you study and use the method, your last point :

> If Sankaran can prove that the vital sensation can be induced by a medicinal substance
> in healthy human beings and then prove the correspondences of this artificially
> induced vital sensation to the one present in the cured patient - then and then only it
> qualifies to be a homeopathic method.

Is easily proven.

> I hate to waste any more time discussing this method of madness, an aberration of an
> otherwise super genius whose convoluted thinking process reflects of a major portion
> of his brain cells gone awry....alas...
>

each to his own, your view is that it is madness. Sankaran's method does require study and persistence, as with any skill or learning. All too often I see homeopaths choose a set of symptoms, bang it into a computer repertory and hope that the answer is there. That is a lazy way. If it fails, the excuse is usually "chose the wrong symptoms" or "information is missing".

As for my personal experience, I have managed to solve a number of cases that I know would not have been solved any other way. I do not follow his method blindly, and have made use of other skills gathered over the years, however the more I use his method (i.e. the more I become skilled at it - reqiring time and study), the more I find the case taking method helping to form a framework to get the most useful information.

regards,
Paul
(No - I do not read tea leaves)

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