Re: [H] Did homeopathy kill Steve Jobs, founder of Apple

On 20 December 2011 00:54, Shannon Nelson <shannonnelson@tds.net> wrote:

>
> Oh right, you are assuming that the actions of individual remedies
> within a combination will be entirely different from and unrelated to
> their actions individually.
>
> Experience shows this not to be the case, tho there are caveats to be
> made. (I.e. not all remedies will be reasonable to combine with each
> other; sometimes they will affect each other, etc.) Too big a topic
> for me to go into--and not one I am well versed in.
>

Experience? Where have I heard of that before? Oh yes: that's what
Hahnemann referred to in the *Organon*:

"The absurdity of medicinal mixtures was perceived even by adherents of the
old school of medicine, although they still continued to follow this
slovenly plan in their own practice, contrary to their convictions." [*
Organon*, Introduction, footnote 29.]

Sounds like some homoeopaths we know, doesn't it!

Or perhaps you meant physicians' experience of the effect of one medicine
on another and the result of 2500 years of such experience:

"… and it was supposed that each of the ingredients of this mixture would
perform, in the diseased body, the part allotted to it by the prescriber's
imagination, without suffering itself to be disturbed or led astray by the
other things mixed up along with it; which, however, could not in reason be
expected. One ingredient suspended wholly or partially the action of
another, or communicated to it and to the others a mode of action and
operation not anticipated nor conjecturable, so that it was impossible the
expected effect could be obtained; there frequently occurred a new morbid
derangement, which from the the incomprehensible changes imparted to
substances by their admixture, was not and could not have been foreseen,
which escaped observation amid the tumultuous symptoms of the disease, and
which became permanent from a lengthened employment of the prescription…" [*
Organon*, Introduction, pp. 74–75, B. Jain, 1972 printing.]

Experience, yes. Perhaps there *is* something to be learned here from the
twenty-five centuries of experience by physicians who were as able as you
are to distinguish what is going on in reaction to their mixtures. Or
there might be, except that their mixtures were simpler than the ones you
promote, because those crude mixtures didn't introduce the additional
complication of potency effects.

The hubris that imagines that it can discriminate the various effects of
the various medicines in a mixture from each other and from the various
interactions between them is astounding. Why, the homoeopath -- on this
list, at least -- with the intelligence to distinguish the medicinal
illness consequent upon repeated unchanged doses from a homoeopathic
aggravation is a rarity to be treasured. And you imagine that the slob who
indulges in polypharmacy will contain a genius surpassing not only the
perception of allopathic physicians of the past 2500 years but also that of
Hahnemann: that this slovenly, sorry excuse for a homoeopath knows *from
experience* that Hahnemann's observations (and, incidentally, the
observations of many modern allopathic observers too) concerning the
unpredictability of medicinal mixtures are, conveniently, completely
insignificant.

How wonderful! How diverting! How!

John

--

"And if care became the ethical basis of citizenship? Our parliaments,
guided by such ideas, would be very different places."

—Paul Ginsborg, *Democracy: Crisis and Renewal*, London: Profile, 2008.
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