Montag, 19. Dezember 2011

Re: [H] Did homeopathy kill Steve Jobs, founder of Apple

Okay, we can skip all the stuff I and others have said about
experiences in using combos.
Have it your way! :o)

On Dec 19, 2011, at 8:58 AM, John Harvey wrote:

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> On 20 December 2011 00:54, Shannon Nelson <shannonnelson@tds.net>
> wrote:
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> Oh right, you are assuming that the actions of individual remedies
> within a combination will be entirely different from and unrelated to
> their actions individually.
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> Experience shows this not to be the case, tho there are caveats to be
> made. (I.e. not all remedies will be reasonable to combine with each
> other; sometimes they will affect each other, etc.) Too big a topic
> for me to go into--and not one I am well versed in.
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> Experience? Where have I heard of that before? Oh yes: that's what
> Hahnemann referred to in the Organon:
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> "The absurdity of medicinal mixtures was perceived even by adherents
> of the old school of medicine, although they still continued to
> follow this slovenly plan in their own practice, contrary to their
> convictions." [Organon, Introduction, footnote 29.]
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> Sounds like some homoeopaths we know, doesn't it!
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> Or perhaps you meant physicians' experience of the effect of one
> medicine on another and the result of 2500 years of such experience:
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> "… and it was supposed that each of the ingredients of this mixture
> would perform, in the diseased body, the part allotted to it by the
> prescriber's imagination, without suffering itself to be disturbed
> or led astray by the other things mixed up along with it; which,
> however, could not in reason be expected. One ingredient suspended
> wholly or partially the action of another, or communicated to it and
> to the others a mode of action and operation not anticipated nor
> conjecturable, so that it was impossible the expected effect could
> be obtained; there frequently occurred a new morbid derangement,
> which from the the incomprehensible changes imparted to substances
> by their admixture, was not and could not have been foreseen, which
> escaped observation amid the tumultuous symptoms of the disease, and
> which became permanent from a lengthened employment of the
> prescription…" [Organon, Introduction, pp. 74–75, B. Jain, 1972
> printing.]
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> Experience, yes. Perhaps there is something to be learned here from
> the twenty-five centuries of experience by physicians who were as
> able as you are to distinguish what is going on in reaction to their
> mixtures. Or there might be, except that their mixtures were
> simpler than the ones you promote, because those crude mixtures
> didn't introduce the additional complication of potency effects.
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> The hubris that imagines that it can discriminate the various
> effects of the various medicines in a mixture from each other and
> from the various interactions between them is astounding. Why, the
> homoeopath -- on this list, at least -- with the intelligence to
> distinguish the medicinal illness consequent upon repeated unchanged
> doses from a homoeopathic aggravation is a rarity to be treasured.
> And you imagine that the slob who indulges in polypharmacy will
> contain a genius surpassing not only the perception of allopathic
> physicians of the past 2500 years but also that of Hahnemann: that
> this slovenly, sorry excuse for a homoeopath knows from experience
> that Hahnemann's observations (and, incidentally, the observations
> of many modern allopathic observers too) concerning the
> unpredictability of medicinal mixtures are, conveniently, completely
> insignificant.
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> How wonderful! How diverting! How!
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> John
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> "And if care became the ethical basis of citizenship? Our
> parliaments, guided by such ideas, would be very different places."
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> —Paul Ginsborg, Democracy: Crisis and Renewal, London: Profile, 2008.
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